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[Olaf Lehmann]

No, it's not a bug. That's the gear failure.
All damages will be repaired at the pit, but NOT the gear failure. That's the reason that you should avoid ShiftR if you can.

In practice the best is to do ESC/Enter after crashing.

But to avoid demotivation in (longer) races the gear failure will be return to normal after a long randomly time (average after 20min).

The effected gear is randomly.

Edited by Olaf Lehmann, Apr 06 2016 - 10:48 AM.

[Robert Fleurke]

Thanks for explaining Olaf

[Robert Fleurke]

We did a testrace with 66mod at Carthage. Tommie and Iestyn got a CTD when they tried to join the session (pushing green button). So we were only with 3 guys testing, and decided to do only 6 laps.

Despite getting some extra wear on my LF tire hitting the fence, I didn't change my tires. When Jani had a crash and Roo blew up, I decided to pit as well, but a miscommunication resulted in resets for both Roo and me. So I lost a gear for the rest of the race. Also my first pitstop went too soon and nothing was repaired. Had to do another lap with damaged car. Second pitstop everything was repaired but for the lost gear. As said kept same tires.

Wear was about 13 5 for fronts and 6 7 for rears (hit fence with LF), 22 minute race/6 laps.

Couple of remarks: if you drive smooth and don't hit obstacles, wear will only be a factor in very long races (before a pitstop would pay out, loss of grip). I do not like the terminal loss of gear after reset (even when I don't like resets). It should be impossible to leave pits during a pitstop.

In general I like this patch, going of track will result in serious loss of grip. The wear hardly comes into play if you drive faultless. The brakebias I would only adjust in longer races.

Edited by Robert Fleurke, Apr 07 2016 - 03:00 PM.

[fajanko]

We missed you from the race Olaf

My opinion.
Power loss AND gear failure is too much after a shift-r. It should be either this or that. And I think everyone would like to have a 100 percent perfect car after a pitstop
Plus I'd advise you to create mini patches, each compatible with the others:
dirt tires -- works like a charm
tire wear + pitstop(new tires) -- great for long GT races
gear failures + pitstop(repair) -- once the pitstop full repairs the car, it's perfect for the stop and go penalty leagues
bb -- some people might need it
It's still a great work, thanks!

Edited by fajanko, Apr 08 2016 - 01:50 AM.

[Olaf Lehmann]

Native I would join yesterday, but I had strained my left food on Tuesday. Because I saw yesterday afternoon only two drivers have announced I decided to save my foot.

Thanks for the detailed feedback!

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Tommie and Iestyn got a CTD when they tried to join the session (pushing green button).

I know four reasons for problems (I think all you can find under Installation in the readme file):

If anyone click to the first green flag in gpl and get a message "you are not qualified to the race":
1. You have used an older version of the patch OR you haven't choice the patched xml in GEM+.
OR
2. You have choosed in GEM+ the patch xml AND the 60fps xml. Please choose only the patch xml

If you get a problem if you click to the first green flag without a message (nothing happens or gpl is crashing):
3. You have used the incongruous version of the patch ( you use gpl version 1.2.0.2 and pitstop7(dg)_13.xml OR gpl version 1.2 and pitstop7(dg)_1202.xml

If can click to the first two green flags in gpl successful, but gpl crashes in the moment you try to go from controll center to track:
4. You use the US version of gpl. The patch doesn't work with it.
But in this case you must NOT reinstall gpl completely to use the patch. You have only to change the gpl exe to a NON US exe (We had this problem in the past in EOLC and it works fine).
But think about this: Eventuell the new exe is different in some other things (uses pribluda or not, uses GPLShift).
I will put my gpl exe (with pribluda forwarding and without GPLShift) into the programm folder in subfolder NON_US_gpl_exe.  

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Wear was about 13 5 for fronts and 6 7 for rears (hit fence with LF), 22 minute race/6 laps.

The values sounds good, normal. With nomal gpl (67 cars) the most people said with values 70/80 the tires be baidly off.
I think you have used mode INT LONG. For such short races I would prefere mode INT SHORT. So you have the double intensity of wear.

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I do not like the terminal loss of gear after reset (even when I don't like resets).

Dirtgear is the originally name of the patch...
If I remember the eolc races in 2013/2014 (and what the drivers said): The lost gear will be overestimated and underestimated at the same time. The drivers has felt like as they looses 3 seconds at a normal track; but if they have checked their laptimes after the race they see they lost only 1s. But they underestimated it at braking and in the corners. They don't think about the lesser engine braking and that the cars are mor understeering with lesser RPMs. And so they make mistakes in the turns. It takes any time to adjust about it. But this brings another new dimension to gpl.
I know it is importend that are enough drivers in the race. In case of three drivers or I say <10 drivers the only one and he feels very lonely. If you have a nearly full grid you are not the only one.
The patch is made to bring a bit of PRO in the INT mode. Despite of lost gear it's still more INT than PRO. In the eolc races we have seen: If the best driver has a lost gear at the finish he isn't the latest.

Indeed...maybe in MOD66 the consequences are more dramatic because the engine power in less RPMs is smaler.

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It should be impossible to leave pits during a pitstop.

Hmmm. It's an idea. But...I see no really a problem. If you leave the pit before the pepair or tire changing is finished - nothing happens. The car isn't repaired, the tires are the old one. So nobody have a reason/advantage to leave the pits to early.


P.S.: If the four points above don't help the two drivers that can't join, I think I can help if I can try your exes at my system.

Edited by Olaf Lehmann, Apr 08 2016 - 09:41 AM.

[Robert Fleurke]

Thanks Olaf.

I know this patch, apart from the dirtgear part, is trying to bridge the INT and PRO settings. Interesting that tirewear will be halved on longer races compared to short races. Yesterday the race was scheduled to be 12 laps, but since we only started with 3 guys we decided to stop after 6 laps. However I'm sure I would keep my tires OK after 12 laps normally. So, the wear won't be a factor in races for me normally.

In confusion with the pitstops (car in front, and  a car drove away behind me) I wasn't sure if my pitstop was completed, and drove away too soon. It would be handy as long the car is moved up you wouldn't be able to move. But my second pitstop went well (for repairs).

I'd say this patch in current form would be best for longer PRO settings races, in order to bridge the gap from INT to PRO. Dirtgear will prevent people to cut corners, even 2 wheels off the track. The wear factor comes only into play if you do not drive smooth, and make mistakes hitting fences etc. But the option to repair damage, and to change tires are nice assets.

Can't promise anything but I wil try to propose some test/funraces at UKGPL and see if people are interested over there. There are always drivers that would like to repair their car, if possible. (if you're on the roof, game over, at PRO)

[Olaf Lehmann]

@Jani: Please see my post in weekly!

[badbob099]

is there a way to change the language back to english?

[Olaf Lehmann]

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is there a way to change the language back to english?

? I assume you couldn't join because you have had US version and use the gpl.exe from the programm folder now? Now the patch works, but you have german menu?

In this case you need an english NON US version. Unfortunately I have only a german one.
If onyone can send me such an english NON US.exe (I think the best would be with installed bandwitch and pribluda - but without GPLShift) I will exchange the german exe in programm folder.

BR Olaf

Edited by Olaf Lehmann, Apr 12 2016 - 05:51 AM.

[Olaf Lehmann]

I have noticed that the ShiftR penalties are too hard for many people.
Like I said in my sight the patch in the actual form is OK.
But because I can't clone me (and maybe driving against myself would be not 100% funny) I have created a light version with this difference to the normal patch: In case of ShiftR the driver uphold much more engine power AND the gear failure will be repaired at the pit.
It's not possible to join with the light version to a server that uses the normal version.

Another changing: The brake ballance adjusting is a totaly seperate patch now. It can be used (among others) with both versions (normal or light) of the patch.

BR Olaf

P.S.: I have a request to forum admin again: Please can you change in first post the link to the patch from pitstop63+(dg) to pitstop7(dg) because the version number is new since February. I promise it will be the last versionnumber...

Edited by Olaf Lehmann, Apr 12 2016 - 10:06 AM.

[M Needforspeed]

thanks again and again Olaf, to come here to fine tune your patch and try to adapt it to Gplers . You cld simply say: "if you don't like it, then don't use it", but you are always pleasing us

[fajanko]

Thanks Olaf!!!

[fajanko]

We have 1966 mod race with the patch this Thursday at Bremgarten.

Look for J.Posta server on iGOR at 8pm UK time.

More details here: https://freeleo.hu/we...&race=201605050

[nbogo]

Thanks!!! Olaf

[Olaf Lehmann]

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thanks again and again Olaf, to come here to fine tune your patch and try to adapt it to Gplers . You cld simply say: "if you don't like it, then don't use it", but you are always pleasing us

I'm receptive to constructive criticism. Intently I read this thread here (and what people write in other forums). It's a normal thing that other people have other preferences. And in same cases people have better ideas than me. These people have a different look at such thing like my patch. They consider that it includes different effects in mode INT and PRO, SHORT and LONG, normal and light version and so on.

But there are other - non constructive - people too. These people act up to this principle: If they go to a restaurant they choice a dish they don't like never before. Naturally this dish taste them bad.
Then they tell other people: "The dishes in that restaurant taste badly." They don't mention that they generally don't like that certain dish and they don't mention that the restaurant have many other dishes.
Then many people that hear that say: "I agree with you!" without tasting any dish, because they haven't the time to try all restaurants.
Unfortunately in this way this non constuctive people have an ordnance sucess. I congratulate them!

And some people are confused if they get too many dishes...
Therefore I should't publish a new additional "dish" at my patch, but I still do it:

Until now in mode PRO the complete and the light version was exactly the same. Now I have added a difference.
Now the light version have compassion with drivers that have damaged their engine total. In this case the engine works again if the speed of one of the front wheels decreased under about 30 km/h (in most cases it's enough to make 1/2 second full braking), but the car get the same ShiftR penalties like in INT mode/light version. But because it is PRO mode the gear failure will NOT be repaired at the pit - the reduced engine power and small suspention problem will be repaired.

In the complete version in mode PRO and in mode INT nothing is changed.


I know it's a good chance for some people to enhance somewhere that this dish don't taste them.

Edited by Olaf Lehmann, May 06 2016 - 04:57 AM.