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[DHosein]

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Totally agree.      (Well, except for the bit about GPLRankers killing the mod team - we rankers may be passionate, and sometimes slightly loony, but I don't think any of us is genuinely homicidal!        )
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Besides... if we killed the mod team, we'd never see any more new cars.. like the '55s or '37s...

[Arturo Pereira]

TvO, on May 19 2011 - 06:48 AM, said:

Luis Babboni, on May 19 2011 - 06:14 AM, said:

Arturo Pereira, on May 19 2011 - 05:38 AM, said:

I guess Rudy could hire most of the GPL mods team, pay them 500,000 anual salaries after taxes and then ask for a GPL mod each 5 months ....

Mmmmmm.... I do not think this is possible, days have just 24hours.

If energy drinks are compensated for it might be possible.

Tommie.

Half a million dollars or even Euros can make wonders ...  

[MECH]

Arturo Pereira, on May 19 2011 - 08:18 AM, said:

Half a million dollars or even Euros can make wonders ...  

Yeah, i'm totally cool with that.
When i'm home from holiday remind me to post my bank account number...

[Royale]

MECH, on May 19 2011 - 01:36 PM, said:

Arturo Pereira, on May 19 2011 - 08:18 AM, said:

Half a million dollars or even Euros can make wonders ...  

Yeah, i'm totally cool with that.
When i'm home from holiday remind me to post my bank account number...

[francesco]

Ei some cent. also for me.

[Burnsy865]

I was thinking the opposite actually, I had hardly done many laps around Targa which was a major release when BAM sports cars are released, another big release, in the meantime there have been track updates from Thomas Lachele and fixes from various people, track releases and now this, now I see that the F2's are not far off.

The only thing I know is that we wont be needing these things patched constantly for the next few years to get them right and tweak them, they won't be pumping out half arsed mods every second week, we are lucky to have the best with each release, you wont get any complaints from me, my wife though, that's a different story. Thanks Mod Team  

[Rudy Dingemans]

TvO, on May 18 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

I don't think anybody has waited for this, they had the part 2 and 3 or the 1969 mod, the 1966 mod, the 1967 Sportscar mod, and the Stratos mod to keep them busy.

Mmmm... I think that kind of illustrates the point, actually. Small mod team, lack of modern tools, need to have a real life as well, etc. Having such a limited amount of people spread out over so many mods (relatively speaking, GPL-wise) is probably what caused mods to come out so slowly.  


My personal preference would be to concentrate more on mods that are the heart and soul of GPL, which is wingless Formula cars, but that's just my own preference. You mod what you like, after all...

And no, in 2011, four whole years to make a mod is *not* "pretty quick", actually.

Not by any standard, even though I don't think rushing it would make it any better. It's more like the extreme slow end of mod making these days (HistoriX and P & G tend to work the same way and they also tend to make good stuff - but they are slow, compared to just about everything out there, *very* slow).

TvO, on May 18 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Not like we sat around doing nothing, which is what your post implies. To the entire mod team, it came across as extremely impolite.

Well, sorry if it came across that way - that wasn't what I intended to say. It just took a freaking long time. Reason: see above. Not me thinking everbody on the mod team was only twiddling thumbs, no sirree.
  

Doesn't make it "fast", though!

Arturo Pereira, on May 19 2011 - 05:38 AM, said:

I guess Rudy could hire most of the GPL mods team, pay them 500,000 anual salaries after taxes and then ask for a GPL mod each 5 months ....

Hey, if *I* owned the Boston Red Sox, I probably would...!   (There's a reason new cars and stuff for iRacing doesn't tend to take years. So yeah, if I had some spare millions to donate...)

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank: -40)


Oh yeah, admins, I'd also like to have a new smiley button to make funny faces at Saiph every time I happen to mention something he doesn't seem to like, which is just about anytime.    Pffffht.

[Bruce]

Rudy Dingemans, on May 19 2011 - 06:27 PM, said:

Mmmm... I think that kind of illustrates the point, actually. Small mod team, lack of modern tools, need to have a real life as well, etc. Having such a limited amount of people spread out over so many mods (relatively speaking, GPL-wise) is probably what caused mods to come out so slowly.

Rudy, you really are an inconsiderate bast*rd, you know.
For someone who has been around GPL for so long you should, by now, have become more tolerant and less impatient.

Or is it simply that you've become a grumpy old man, always ready to find fault?

Bruce

[Luis Babboni]

The solution for Rudy wants is very simple: there are no better way to do things than doing yourself.
So, I will be glad to have a nice and good Rudy´s wingless mod in October 2011!!  
Please Rudy, give us a preview of the details your mod will have, Im impatient.

Edited by Luis Babboni, May 20 2011 - 04:16 AM.

[Art-J]

Rudy does have a point though. The tools ARE old and the Team IS small so with quite a few mods in the pipeline, the development WILL take a loooong time. However, I learned just to live with it. Let's be honest, we're tiny fraction of sim racing community, a dying breed. We're not going to have young blood programming gurus making new tools for us, nor can we expect the mod team to expand.

That's also the reason why I don't think comparing GPL mods development time with rF/GTR2 mods development time is fair. Of course the "competiton" on "the other side of the fence" is going to be much, much faster than "our" modders. They have newer platforms, they have dedicated modding tools and, the most important thing, most of them don't give a flying $hit about historic racing cars. SOME of them do, but they are minoity in rF/GTR2 community as well, as a result, historic mods for rF/GTR2 are shaping up rather slow too. HGTTC and P&G have been already mentioned, GPC79 first appeared in summer '06 but the last update for it, made by the team before it dispanded, was published in april '09. Oh, and don't forget the infamous Group C mod for rF by Virtua LM team. Started as a conversion-project just after rF appeared on the shelves (february '06), 5 years later, here we are, still waiting for it, and judging from the previews, only God almighty knows when we're going to see it at last .

Now, back to the Xtra 69ers. I believe the main reason they're coming at all was breeching of the 7 car slots limitation. Suddenly the potential for pimpin' up the supposedly "finished" '69 mod appeared. But first, the '66 mod had to be completed, which happened on Christmas '07, so '69 update project must have started later, somewhere in the '08. Meanwhile, the Sportcars were being worked on and I suppose these had the priority. The spectacular 40-new-'69-models preview was published all over the net in december '09. Just after that, I recall reading the Team was aiming at the release "in few months time" and that's my only gripe about the development of this update - being used to Mr Skingley not giving away any dates until he's sure the date is close, I expected to see it somewhere between spring and summer 2010. That proved not to be the case, but I also remember reading about some real-life issues which caused one of the modders to pause his work, which slowed the whole project down. I do understand unexpected things happen though.

All and all, I myself cannot offer help in speeding up the modding process, being a verified programming-imbecile (shame to admit but many failed programming exams were one of the reasons why I dropped out of my first faculty at university) and I think the glimpse of these old car- and track-making or hex-editing tools for GPL would kill me on sight. So I just gotta sit here and wait. Fortunately, this time, looks like the update is really coming soon !

Cheers - Art

[paul skingley]

Art-J, on May 20 2011 - 10:20 AM, said:

I expected to see it somewhere between spring and summer 2010. That proved not to be the case, but I also remember reading about some real-life issues which caused one of the modders to pause his work, which slowed the whole project down. I do understand unexpected things happen though.

That is basically the case here.
I had a year away from GPL where my wheel was packed away and I did not touch the sim at all.

The reason was a combination of burnout from producing 69mod, TCmod, 66mod, and being heavily involved with Monjuich Park, the Zandvoort and Mexico multi season updates, as well as helping out in the mod team on other projects.

There was also alot of bad feeling caused by a certain person over the F2 project. I can guarantee the F2 project would have been released by now had it not been for that persons actions.

On top of that I had a serious family health issue that I had to deal with so I had to take a break.

So without these issues the mod would have been finished a year ago but such is life.

If it had not been for my good friends Remy and Stefan keeping in contact and eventually bringing me back, the 69 Extra project would still be gathering dust on my HD so you can thank them for that.  

Tonight we have a final test. I hope all will go well and we can share our work with everyone


paul

[Hopper]

Thank you in advance!

[Rudy Dingemans]

Bruce, on May 19 2011 - 09:32 PM, said:

]Rudy, you really are an inconsiderate bast*rd, you know.
For someone who has been around GPL for so long you should, by now, have become more tolerant and less impatient.

I'm not a particularly patient guy, no. I'm also not the type to only yell Hurrah at all times.

That doesn't mean I don't like seeing new GPL mods come out, though, or that I think it's bad work. It's just slow, relatively and absolutely speaking.

However, if I note that the  mod team is small, spread out over several mods and forced to work with software dating back to 1999, I'm telling exactly three things:

The truth,

the truth,

and nothing but the truth.

That's all. Not saying it's anybody's fault - there is no real fault to find on this one.

paul skingley, on May 20 2011 - 11:33 AM, said:

There was also alot of bad feeling caused by a certain person over the F2 project. I can guarantee the F2 project would have been released by now had it not been for that persons actions

Note someone trying to pin some blame on somebody else here. Let's not talk about who caused that conflict and the resulting frikkin' mess in the first place. Let's NOT talk about who broke his own public promises in the first place. Let's NOT. I still have whole bucketloads of unused flamepower left for that one. Verbal abuse made of pure undiluted acid wouldn't begin to cover it, so let's NOT go there.

Art-J, on May 20 2011 - 10:20 AM, said:

"the other side of the fence" is going to be much, much faster than "our" modders. They have newer platforms, they have dedicated modding tools and, the most important thing, most of them don't give a flying $hit about historic racing cars.

True. I don't think there is a 'competition', though. Timewise, there's just large differences between mod developments and GPL tends to be on the slow side. As you say, though (and as I've said myself several times) most of that is caused by the lack of more modern development software. That's the biggest obstacle, been so since early 2000 when most tools were no longer updated, unfortunately.

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank: -40)

Edited by Rudy Dingemans, May 20 2011 - 02:37 PM.

[paul skingley]

Rudy, have you considerd a new career as a comedian ?

You should because you really make me laugh