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[ginetto]

Orientation always 0 on every section

Lateral try to make it 0, a few GPL units don't mess up anything but it's easy to zero them so you go easy.

Longitudinal must never be a positive gap, that means that you have a hole as Saiph described.
Longitudinal negative is probably better than zero, the amount you can keep is a few GPL units; I did Targa florio with a longitudinal negative gap of -10 between each section, last included.
-10 GPL units equal to 0.5mm of overlapping, so yo have an idea.

[Luis Babboni]

Saiph, on Feb 15 2009, 01:52 AM, said:

José Raúl Capanegra, on Feb 14 2009, 11:50 PM, said:

............
Wich is an acceptable gap when you join the last with the first sections to avoid the risk of freezes or jumps to the desktop?
10cm; 1cm; 1mm; 0mm ?

You should always try to get a perfect match at the start/finish line. If you have a small gap, even 1mm, then GPL will crash at some point when you drive the track. The GPL physics engine "steps" the car forward in increments of one frame (usually 1/36th second), and if the reference point of the car happens to land on the gap at the end of a frame, GPL will crash. You might be lucky for 100 laps or more, and the car will "jump" the gap. But at some point your luck will run out.

I've just started to learn how to use the "GPLTrk" editor, and the first tricky problem I had was how to make the end of the track join up properly with the start/finish line. But the tutorial on the GPLEA website gives some good tips, and the editor itself tells you if you have any longitudinal gap, lateral gap, or orientation mismatch. On both the test tracks that I've created so far, I have managed to get all three errors down to zero. It does take a little juggling, sometimes you have to go back to the last corner on the circuit to make adjustments. But if you can get all the errors down to zero, then it's worth it.

Thanks Saiph.

Ooops, my first test track have a gap of 10mm; 8mm and 0.1 degree!! The people doesnt know what they miss! :-))

[Luis Babboni]

Ginetto, on Feb 15 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

Orientation always 0 on every section

Lateral try to make it 0, a few GPL units don't mess up anything but it's easy to zero them so you go easy.

Longitudinal must never be a positive gap, that means that you have a hole as Saiph described.
Longitudinal negative is probably better than zero, the amount you can keep is a few GPL units; I did Targa florio with a longitudinal negative gap of -10 between each section, last included.
-10 GPL units equal to 0.5mm of overlapping, so yo have an idea.

Thank you Ginetto!
I will work on it.

[Saiph]

Ginetto, on Feb 15 2009, 04:32 PM, said:

...........
Longitudinal negative is probably better than zero, the amount you can keep is a few GPL units; I did Targa florio with a longitudinal negative gap of -10 between each section, last included.
-10 GPL units equal to 0.5mm of overlapping, so yo have an idea.

Aha, so if things get difficult, it's ok to have a negative gap/overlap? That's good to know, I'll remember that for my future editing. Thanks Ginetto!  

[Simbear]

To splitting sections and/or running compile-s(?) (Using start levels to calculate smoothing and end levels) makes gaps.
On the straights there’s no problem to manually fix the gaps. I know the curves make it way more complicated. Its well worth time to careful split the curves from the beginning when typing the data from the first. I did that on my last track and saved much work. Still I forget to split the straight nearest the curve before and after too. I mean this is an important tip   (splitting is necessary for the details of walls and some big buildings can match the sections if you want a clipping free building, and for the levels).

Now I have some sections with 0 orientation, 0 lateral and 1 longitudinal after a curve. Adding 1 unit to this makes a big orientation mismatch, but it overlap. My question is that better to set it like this instead of to recalculate the curve?  


Bjørn  

[Jhalli]

Simbear, on Feb 17 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

(splitting is necessary for the details of walls and some big buildings can match the sections if you want a clipping free building, and for the levels).



Bjørn  

im splitting the section exactly start and end of building and end up a some clipping anyway f10 view,but driving view and some camera angles give some clipping on grand object,some one says *.TSO object files should be right order to avoid clipping? also wondering how to add trees behind grand which not clipping? they always clipping same with grass as you see.Thanks!

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Edited by Jhalli, Feb 17 2009 - 08:19 AM.

[Simbear]

The grand is a tso object, not a part of a track wall. If the tso crossing sections (or traces) it clipping, lifting the tso 0.1-0.2 meter can help in some cases. Tso objects near each other must be included in one tso to avoid clipping. In OneTwo3DO, export to txt from the minor tso. In the main tso import this as txt, move/rotate and insert the textures.
Splitting a tso horzonally can be very useful if the object is wide in the top.  

[ginetto]

Jhalli, on Feb 17 2009, 03:11 PM, said:

im splitting the section exactly start and end of building and end up a some clipping anyway f10 view,but driving view and some camera angles give some clipping on grand object,some one says *.TSO object files should be right order to avoid clipping? also wondering how to add trees behind grand which not clipping? they always clipping same with grass as you see.Thanks!

You can use a transparent mip instead of a grass mip for the section where you have the building (cool tip huh? )

If you want to add trees behind grand stand you have to place them after the grandstand in the TSO file ( I'm not sure I got what you meant here though )

Simbear, on Feb 17 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

Now I have some sections with 0 orientation, 0 lateral and 1 longitudinal after a curve. Adding 1 unit to this makes a big orientation mismatch, but it overlap. My question is that better to set it like this instead of to recalculate the curve?  


Bjørn

I add units to the length of the straight section close to the curve ones, trying not to touch the latter.

[Jhalli]

Thanks Ginetto and Simbear,   *.TSO trick works.

[Luis Babboni]

I cant load .bmp files with OneTwo3DO.

It appears a windows saying:

X Acces violation at address 004A5092 in module `OneTwo3DO.exe´. Read of address 00000000.

In it Helps it said it:
Note:
Width and Height of the chosen bitmap file must be one of 16, 32, 64, 128 or 256. All other dimensions are not loaded.
But I try to load .bmp file of these dimensions.

It looks more as an installation problem.

Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

Luis.

IN RSC there was another one who had the same problem (try in Google "accsess+onetwo3DO", second link), but as we know, RSC is still no working.

Edited by José Raúl Capanegra, Mar 03 2009 - 03:07 PM.

[Nurby Yogi]

José Raúl Capanegra, on Mar 3 2009, 02:30 PM, said:

I cant load .bmp files with OneTwo3DO.

It appears a windows saying:

X Acces violation at address 004A5092 in module `OneTwo3DO.exe´. Read of address 00000000.

In it Helps it said it:
Note:
Width and Height of the chosen bitmap file must be one of 16, 32, 64, 128 or 256. All other dimensions are not loaded.
But I try to load .bmp file of these dimensions.

It looks more as an installation problem.

Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

Luis.

IN RSC there was another one who had the same problem (try in Google "accsess+onetwo3DO", second link), but as we know, RSC is still no working.

Hi Luis,

one question.
Did you have the file "glaux.dll" installed?
At my Istallation it is in the same directory as the "OneTwo3DO.exe file.
That would perhaps be an idea.
Good luck.

Greets Yogi

[Luis Babboni]

Nurby Yogi, on Mar 3 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

José Raúl Capanegra, on Mar 3 2009, 02:30 PM, said:

I cant load .bmp files with OneTwo3DO.

It appears a windows saying:

X Acces violation at address 004A5092 in module `OneTwo3DO.exe´. Read of address 00000000.

In it Helps it said it:
Note:
Width and Height of the chosen bitmap file must be one of 16, 32, 64, 128 or 256. All other dimensions are not loaded.
But I try to load .bmp file of these dimensions.

It looks more as an installation problem.

Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

Luis.

IN RSC there was another one who had the same problem (try in Google "accsess+onetwo3DO", second link), but as we know, RSC is still no working.

Hi Luis,

one question.
Did you have the file "glaux.dll" installed?
At my Istallation it is in the same directory as the "OneTwo3DO.exe file.
That would perhaps be an idea.
Good luck.

Greets Yogi

Thanks Yogi,

but yes, I have it in the same directory, as you.

Looking in Google, some people saids that have the "accsess violation" problem triyng to loaded strings too large or something like this and suggest to install the last Service Pack of XP. I have the SP2 and now im downloading the SP3.
But the onetwo3DO it is previous than SP3 :-)
I hope that it will not try me more headaches, my XP is not original.
Any comments?

Edit: Two hours later... I installed the SP3... nothing change. Still this "access violation".  

Edited by José Raúl Capanegra, Mar 03 2009 - 06:06 PM.

[Nick Matthews]

José Raúl Capanegra, on Mar 3 2009, 01:30 PM, said:

I cant load .bmp files with OneTwo3DO.
It appears a windows saying:
X Acces violation at address 004A5092 in module `OneTwo3DO.exe´. Read of address 00000000.

Hi,

OneTwo3DO is notoriously fussy. It just won't run with some graphics drivers - anything new in my experience. But so far (fingers crossed) I've always been able to get it to run by setting hardware acceleration to 'None' - Control Panel/Display Properties/Advanced/Troubleshoot. Even then it can be a little temperamental, but some patient fiddling with the zoom facility or even just repeatedly minimising and then maximising OneTwo3DO usually sorts it out eventually.

This may not be the source of your problem, as mine is getting OneTwo3DO to run at all rather than just loading textures, but it may be worth a shot. Good luck.

Nick

[ACHIM KRAFT]

Hi !

I have nothing to do with track-editing, but maybe it is a question of bit-deeph of the bmp-files ? I remember some similar things with WINMIP2 and converting given bmp-files to mip. BMP-files must, so far i remember, for converting in mip given 24-bit.

Good luck.

Greetings

Achim

Edited by ACHIM KRAFT, Mar 04 2009 - 08:23 AM.

[Luis Babboni]

Nick Matthews, on Mar 4 2009, 11:54 AM, said:

José Raúl Capanegra, on Mar 3 2009, 01:30 PM, said:

I cant load .bmp files with OneTwo3DO.
It appears a windows saying:
X Acces violation at address 004A5092 in module `OneTwo3DO.exe´. Read of address 00000000.

Hi,

OneTwo3DO is notoriously fussy. It just won't run with some graphics drivers - anything new in my experience. But so far (fingers crossed) I've always been able to get it to run by setting hardware acceleration to 'None' - Control Panel/Display Properties/Advanced/Troubleshoot. Even then it can be a little temperamental, but some patient fiddling with the zoom facility or even just repeatedly minimising and then maximising OneTwo3DO usually sorts it out eventually.

This may not be the source of your problem, as mine is getting OneTwo3DO to run at all rather than just loading textures, but it may be worth a shot. Good luck.

Nick

Thanks Nick!,

Im trying now a different way.
Instaed of OneTwo3DO ill try to do this:

-Use the Google SketchUp Pro to build a 3D objects (.3ds files) -Warning! the Google Sketch Up (not Pro) can´t export .3ds files.
-Use the Biturn to convert .3ds in .ase
-Use ase23do to convert .ase in .3do

The first try was succesfull.

[Tidge]

Luis, are you using the free trial version of Google Sketch up Pro ?

[MECH]

José Raúl Capanegra, on Mar 4 2009, 04:32 PM, said:

Im trying now a different way.
Instaed of OneTwo3DO ill try to do this:

-Use the Google SketchUp Pro to build a 3D objects (.3ds files) -Warning! the Google Sketch Up (not Pro) can´t export .3ds files.
-Use the Biturn to convert .3ds in .ase
-Use ase23do to convert .ase in .3do

The first try was succesfull.

I've already done that before but i think you will run into some problems with that method.
The scaling is tricky.
Attaching bitmaps is also a bit of a problem although it might that you would succeed in altering the ase file to have correct bitmap/mip names.
I believe it creates a lot of overkill in polygons and am not sure if the trees are done properly.

But i never took it to a further level so maybe you have more succes  

[Luis Babboni]

If you have a totally functionally track.
Can you add a .3do directly or you need to remade the .DAT?

Thanks.

Edited by José Raúl Capanegra, Mar 04 2009 - 03:50 PM.

[dangermouse]

José Raúl Capanegra, on Mar 4 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

If you have a totally functionally track.
Can you add a .3do directly or you need to remade the .DAT?

Thanks.

The 3do can be left loose in the track folder and it will be used, overriding the one in the dat.