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[twinpotter]

So I've just purchased a gaming laptop, with Windows 10 recently. It's all singing and dancing and in the last month I've owned it, I'm pretty happy and pleased in what it can do, along with its performance.

In the Last couple of days though I've had internal notification from Microsoft of updating to Windows 11.

I'm kind of tempted, because of the free upgrade option, and would be one of the first in line, so to speak, for a newer OS. But then on the other hand I'm really enjoying my experience with the whole new Windows 10 thing. Which is all exciting to me. Therefore why should I upgrade to this newer OS, because Microsoft are prompting me to do so. Just what would be the benefits. If any at all?

Personally I'm happy with what I've got at present, but there's a very small part of me nagging away, saying could this be beneficial. Again thinking your getting a free and newer upgrade to Win 11 here. Wow that's a nice little bargain there.

The obvious point and worry though, is that the warts and scars, that may come with this new Win 11 OS, may carry a threat of some of my games (GPL) and apps not working anymore. So is it worth it the upgrade?
What I can't really understand, from Microsoft, is why oh why are they quick to the draw on prompting you to upgrade. When to my knowledge Win 11 is still in its infancy and early days. At the start of its life.

Therefore should I be tempted (plus others) to upgrade or wait awhile for further development of this new OS. Up until all its possible bugs and problems, which I thing there will be, get ironed out. Or should I just go for it now. After all through research I've found out that the new OS specs improve gaming and graphics?
My initial thought though (thinking clear and safely) is to abandon this idea and hang onto what I've already got, my default pure Win 10 machine and system. As it's also new. Hang on longer for a few more years, then upgrade later to a newer system Win 11 installed as default and standard. I think I'm right in saying, that I've heard that Microsoft will stop supporting Win 10 in 2025?
So therefore in 2026 purchasing again and getting a good 5 years out of my present laptop is a more positive idea.

Is this now the way of the world, is it me or is it Microsoft. Why can't they just leave things alone for awhile, and give things like OS systems more longer life and legacy. Why are they always tampering and always jumping ahead quickly upgrading every 2 minutes to a newer system. Instead of giving users a chance to breath with a longer lifespan. Then again I suppose I can answer my own question there by presuming it's done for security reasons and of course coupled with financial gain for them as a vendor too?

Please everybody what do you all think and what are your views.
Stay with Windows 10 for a while longer, or move immediately on to Win 11. Your advice and thoughts please much appreciated 👍

TP:

Edited by twinpotter, Oct 13 2021 - 09:50 AM.

[Saiph]

My advice: Don't upgrade. (Yet.)

We know GPL works fine with Win10, we don't know if everything will be fine with Win11. It's very unlikely that there will be anything miraculously "new" or "magical" or "essential" about Win11. It's very unlikely that you'll be missing out on anything amazing if you don't upgrade.

From my experience, the first thing I noticed when I left Win XP behind (I jumped straight from XP to Win8, skipping Vista and 7) was the awful "Metro" or "Tile" interface that MS brought in to replace the Start Menu. It simply didn't work. It hid all my favourite things inside a maze of similar-looking coloured shapes which was impossible to navigate quickly or efficiently. Until I found a third-party replacement for the hierarchical Start Menu, I regarded upgrading as a mistake.

Stick with what you know, and stick with what works. If anyone upgrades to Win11 now, you will effectively be a beta tester for MS. And that's something that I don't get paid for, so I'm not prepared to do it.

The rapid releases of operating systems is simply a software version of "built-in obsolescence", designed to keep Microsoft in the news, and in profit. And to make Windows look "new" and "fashionable". We've seen in recent years how Apple constantly revise and update their products, and trick the public to take part in the old "keeping up with the Joneses" syndrome, where we all must have the latest product, otherwise we're "lagging behind" and we're "unfashionable" and "out of touch". It's American capitalism and consumerism at its sickest. And most of us fall for the trick every single time.

[Ernesto Mayer]

Saiph, on Oct 13 2021 - 10:51 AM, said:

My advice: Don't upgrade. (Yet.)

We know GPL works fine with Win10, we don't know if everything will be fine with Win11. It's very unlikely that there will be anything miraculously "new" or "magical" or "essential" about Win11. It's very unlikely that you'll be missing out on anything amazing if you don't upgrade.

From my experience, the first thing I noticed when I left Win XP behind (I jumped straight from XP to Win8, skipping Vista and 7) was the awful "Metro" or "Tile" interface that MS brought in to replace the Start Menu. It simply didn't work. It hid all my favourite things inside a maze of similar-looking coloured shapes which was impossible to navigate quickly or efficiently. Until I found a third-party replacement for the hierarchical Start Menu, I regarded upgrading as a mistake.

Stick with what you know, and stick with what works. If anyone upgrades to Win11 now, you will effectively be a beta tester for MS. And that's something that I don't get paid for, so I'm not prepared to do it.

The rapid releases of operating systems is simply a software version of "built-in obsolescence", designed to keep Microsoft in the news, and in profit. And to make Windows look "new" and "fashionable". We've seen in recent years how Apple constantly revise and update their products, and trick the public to take part in the old "keeping up with the Joneses" syndrome, where we all must have the latest product, otherwise we're "lagging behind" and we're "unfashionable" and "out of touch". It's American capitalism and consumerism at its sickest. And most of us fall for the trick every single time.

I totally agree. The best technology for the user is not the cutting edge, but the one that meets the needs.
What happens, in fact, is purely something commercial: MS creates a new operating system for machines to become artificially obsolete, which causes sales of new equipment. It is pure unbridled consumerism that moves the savage capitalism in which we live.

Edited by Ernesto Mayer, Oct 13 2021 - 11:10 AM.

[jgf]

Every new version of windows removes more and more options from end user control.  If you like Win10, stick with it, it will be supported for quite a while yet.  

Also Win11 has many "security" requirements, it's possible your current system wouldn't pass muster (some top line mobos today are not compatible).

But then again, comparatively I'm a luddite - still using Win7 because Micro$oft has offered nothing since that I'm willing to deal with, much less pay for.  When this becomes untenable I'll again try Linux.

[Pedro]

Please try it
Then we know if it works or not

[Millennium]

I've held on to Windows 7 untill the very last day it was supported, will do the same with Windows 10.
Being an early adaptor for a new OS has hardly ever been benificial.

[prize]

Some GPL-era retro sims didn't work with Windows 7, more became unuseable on Windows 10, so I expect we will lose even more with the switch to Windows 11.  Fortunately, we are not at the mercy of the Microsoft Gods, because GPL runs great on linux.  The windows emulation project on linux (https://www.winehq.org/) runs every classic MS Windows sim I'm aware of, including the Rowan flight sims.  For the case of GPL, one automated installer is included in the free linux game package here: https://github.com/s...s-for-engineers

Edited by prize, Oct 13 2021 - 03:39 PM.

[Cookie]

Funny, when W10 was introduced, they said that was the final Win version.
However, looking under the W10 hood, it was a new wrapper of the old W7 engine with user rights trimmed.
I still have one last W10 PC running to know what's what, I update that regularly, the last update took almost 2 hours.... You have to believe that something important is happening!
A new installation of a linux distro needs maximum one hour until it is fully updated and equipped with GPL and all important programs. An update takes between one and 10 minutes maximum!

Nowadays everyone should know that there is nothing free in the PC and you pay for it with your data and....

PS

oups, sorry - I know there is a big exception: GPL

Edited by Cookie, Oct 14 2021 - 11:44 AM.

[jgf]

prize, on Oct 13 2021 - 03:22 PM, said:

Some GPL-era retro sims didn't work with Windows 7, more became unuseable on Windows 10, ...

I have, to date, only encountered two older games I could not get to work in Win7;  but ftr I never got these to run on any system since shelling to DOS in W95.   There were a couple more that would work but were just too much trouble;  this is the only reason I've eschewed Linux all these years, there is no "one size fits all" emulator that will run windows games.

I've had more issues with game utilities, and general editing software, that worked fine in XP but either don't run at all or are a kludge to use in Vista or later;  mainly since MS changed some file handling parameters.  (I've yet to find another video editor i like.)

[jgf]

Cookie, on Oct 14 2021 - 08:55 AM, said:

...with user rights trimmed.

By the time of Windows 15 MS may allow us to select our own wallpaper ...though on startup windows will complain about it and "click here to restore default wallpaper".

Cookie, on Oct 14 2021 - 08:55 AM, said:

I still have one last W10 PC running to know what's what, I update that regularly, the last update took almost 2 hours.... You have to believe that something important is happening!

MS has all the technology in the world at their disposal, yet I can download, install, and be playing a game of 5gig size in less time than it takes MS to download/install/configure 30meg of updates.

Cookie, on Oct 14 2021 - 08:55 AM, said:

Nowadays everyone should know that there is nothing free in the PC and you pay for it with your data and....

As is said, "if you are not paying then you are the commodity".