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[Bob Simpson]

There’s no question that the 55 mod can be driven and never have the brakes go out of the green range by using the engine braking and feathering the brakes, no matter what circuit you’re driving.  It’s just slower than if the brakes were more robust.  I think that’s the fun challenge – at least to not go over the yellow range by being conservative as the drivers of the day certainly had to be to some extent.

The extent that the brakes drop off is debatable, but the decisions have been made to have it this way after much debate in the Beta stage.

[gliebzeit]

[Gartner]

Bruce, on May 13 2017 - 06:03 AM, said:

It has taken a lot of fun out of the '55's for me and, as a result, I have stopped using them for now.

it's the exact opposite for me. that feature maximises the fun. I'll probably reduce my GPL activity to drive the 55ers only PLUS historical 67 mod F2 cars (easier to drive but also incredible fun).

Noone is forced to drive the 55ers, there are plenty of other mods for GPL.

Edited by Gartner, May 13 2017 - 12:37 PM.

[Sid]

Gartner, on May 13 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

Bruce, on May 13 2017 - 06:03 AM, said:

It has taken a lot of fun out of the '55's for me and, as a result, I have stopped using them for now.

it's the exact opposite for me. that feature maximises the fun. I'll probably reduce my GPL activity to drive the 55ers only PLUS historical 67 mod F2 cars (easier to drive but also incredible fun).

Noone is forced to drive the 55ers, there are plenty of other mods for GPL.

+1
Definitely with you on that. I think it adds to the 55 experience, gives you something more to think about.

[Bruce]

Gartner, on May 13 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

Noone is forced to drive the 55ers, there are plenty of other mods for GPL.

I'm disappointed that there are those in this forum who would actually make a throw-away comment such as that. A very low-brow and somewhat snide remark.

Be that as it may, because I only ever race the AI I have, over the past hour, arrived at a way in which the unrealistic brake fade (which, incidentally, doesn't appear to affect the AI) can be overcome: I have simply adjusted the speed of the AI in GEM to compensate.

[Lee200]

Bruce,

I think you brought it upon yourself when you stated; "It has taken a lot of fun out of the '55's for me and, as a result, I have stopped using them for now."

Too bad you don't like the mod the way it is, but it is the way it is.

Glad to hear that you've been able to adjust the AI to your satisfaction even with the "unrealistic" brake fade though.  

[Bruce]

Lee200, on May 13 2017 - 03:22 PM, said:

I think you brought it upon yourself when you stated; "It has taken a lot of fun out of the '55's for me and, as a result, I have stopped using them for now.

Lee, I did say "for me".
I did not, and do not, expect everyone to feel the same. That would be ridiculous.

May I also ask a couple of questions.....how old are those who created this mod and have they ever experienced brake fade in an all-drum-braked car?

[Lee200]

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Bruce, I quoted your Post #75  verbatim and it says "for me".

What difference does it make for how old the mod team members are?  But to answer your question; yes, many are old enough to have experienced brake fade in an all drum car.  Our average age is probably about 60 which makes us a bunch of legitimate old farts.  

Look, I understand your point about brake fade...you don't think the mod's brake fade is realistic.  That's your opinion and like Ford Mustangs or Volkswagen Beetles in the '60s and flushing toilets...everyone has one.

You can either live with the mod the way it is or not use it.  I'm sure the mod team will loose a lot sleep tonight regardless of what you decide.

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We really appreciate your comments and assure you that the mod team will do everything possible to accommodate your desires as that is our sole purpose in life.

(Old Fart Mellow Mode OFF)

Edited by Lee200, May 13 2017 - 04:40 PM.

[Bob Simpson]

I think that as we have mods based further in the past, more and more subjective guessing will have to be done.  And as more mods come about, you'll always have more people who have differing opinions and of course, you'll never please everyone.

[Gartner]

Right, Bob. But perhaps adjusting driving style to the mod instead of wanting the mod to be adjusted for someone's driving style would be an option.

Btw, I think Donington 37 works very well with the 55ers. I know this is historical and political incorrect.
PS: Are twins allowed to race the 55mod?

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[Royale]

Bruce, on May 13 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

Lee200, on May 13 2017 - 03:22 PM, said:

I think you brought it upon yourself when you stated; "It has taken a lot of fun out of the '55's for me and, as a result, I have stopped using them for now.

Lee, I did say "for me".
I did not, and do not, expect everyone to feel the same. That would be ridiculous.

May I also ask a couple of questions.....how old are those who created this mod and have they ever experienced brake fade in an all-drum-braked car?

Old enough to see Jackie Stewart race before he won his first F1 race   and twenty years of racing in TR-7s, FV's, and FF's. Not to mention towing that stuff with a Chevy Surburban. Brake fade of all kinds was the most un-nerving in that Suburban driving to the Glen. The Vee had drums of course but adjustments every 50 miles of track time kept one ahead of no pedal.

And your history ?

Edited by Royale, May 13 2017 - 05:53 PM.

[gliebzeit]

.... and Bob, you are certainly doing what you have written under your SRMZ avatar.   In spades!!!

[Royale]

gliebzeit, on May 13 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

.... and Bob, you are certainly doing what you have written under your SRMZ avatar.   In spades!!!

  And you & I are not done yet !!!

[Bruce]

Lee200, on May 13 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

Bruce, I quoted your Post #75  verbatim and it says "for me".

Which is exactly why I emphasised the "me"; it's a personal thing and, for me, it detracts from the sim.

Lee200, on May 13 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

.....to answer your question; yes, many are old enough to have experienced brake fade in an all drum car.  Our average age is probably about 60..

Fair enough.

Oh...and thanks heaps for your condescending "Mellow Old Fart" response.

Edited by Bruce, May 13 2017 - 06:20 PM.

[Bruce]

Royale, on May 13 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

And your history ?

Nothing of interest, really.
Old enough to have become interested in motor racing around 1954/55 as a young boy.
Old enough to have attained my driver's license in 1963 after learning to drive in a Ford Prefect and Vauxhall Cresta on dirt forest roads in northern NSW.
Old enough to have attended the first of, and then several further, Tasman Cup events at Warwick Farm and to have had the opportunity to wander the pits and chat with the likes of Clark, Hill, Amon, Brabham et al.
Old enough to have enjoyed competing at club level in various sprint races and gymkhanas in Sydney and Canberra.
As I said....nothing of interest.