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#1 Saiph

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 05:31 AM

(TL:DR? Skip down to the "* * * * community wishlist * * * *" link, jump to GOG & vote to add GPL to their list. Thanks!)

As most of you will probably know, it appears that Grand Prix Legends has now virtually disappeared from the retail marketplace.

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(EDIT: Pete Gaimari has found some sources here https://srmz.racesimcentral.net/inde....2 but be careful about the price, as some of those links are charging over $80 plus shipping.)

Sold Out Software no longer appear to be listing the game in their on-line store, and as far as I am aware, no other retailer has taken over stocking the sim. At the moment, the only legitimate source for new GPL drivers seems to be E-Bay, and of course that has some difficulties, not least of which is that people know that this is a collectable game, and sometimes inflate the price. :(

Another alternative is to install the 2004 demo version of the game, and add to the tracks using the Alternative Track Database. However, it is not legal to distribute the original tracks which are missing from the demo, and so the player ends up having an incomplete sim.

I'm attempting to solve these problems by trying to persuade the "Good Old Games" website (GOG) to try to obtain rights to GPL, and make it available on their website. Although it's a long shot, there's no reason not to try it, you never know what might be possible! I emailed the support team at GOG, suggesting GPL should be added to their list, and received a nice (and quick) reply:

"Hello,
Thank you very much for your kind feedback, however I'm afraid that I can't comment on any upcoming deals and releases (or lack thereof). I can only assure you that we're doing everything possible to get our hands on the best content possible.
Unfortunately the process can be very complicated. There are many variables to take into account when trying to secure distribution rights from a publisher or developer, and it's not always possible to come to a compromise that satisfies all . This is especially true for GOG, as we want to uphold our core values (like no copy protection, or fair pricing), which do not always fit well into how the industry generally works. It gets even more complex with old content, esepecially games, whose rights are often in a state of “legal limbo”.
Check out this Q/A video, featuring one of my superiors - Marcin Iwinski, for a first-hand view of how it works:

Also, I strongly suggest checking out Community Wishlist - while this won't make us get rights for these titles all of a sudden, every vote counts! :)
https://www.gog.com/wishlist
Finally, please stay tuned and check out our news page every week for new release info.
Regards,
Natalia
GOG.com Support"

I checked the "community wishlist", and I managed to find a wish for GPL already there:

* * * * https://www.gog.com/w...nd_prix_legends. * * * *
(Apologies if the GOG site forces you to go through the hassle of registering before you can vote. I've bought stuff from their website before, so I already had an account.)

It currently has 349 votes, small compared to some requested titles, but a lot better than many others. I suggest that if you would like to see GPL available for download, please click on the link and add your vote! You can also add a comment there if you wish. I've added one which lets people know about SRMZ.NET, so that might help.

If anybody has any further advice or tips on how to obtain and install GPL legally, or would like to comment in any way, please feel free to add to this thread to make it easier for new players to get into our superb sim.

(Please, no links to other download sites or offers to provide .ISO images, or any other dodgy stuff. Although GPL now appears to be abandonware, it might still be possible for SRMZ and/or its members to get into trouble for being seen to support any type of piracy. Thanks for your understanding.)

Edited by Saiph, Nov 05 2015 - 10:02 AM.


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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 05:43 AM

I added my vote at the GOG site. :)

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 05:50 AM

Adding right now!

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 07:05 AM

Voted me too

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 07:37 AM

Is there any way to vote without registering etc.  I get so tired of making log ins, passwords etc.  I have about 5 pages of such (on flashdrive) already

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 07:41 AM

Voted minutes ago and as comment posted link to USPTO abandonment page on COG wishlist, just in case it might help them decide.

Paddy, registering/logging in is fast/easy. Just make something up and use it probably only once ever, so no need to recall or save. (Posting in transit?).

Edited by John Woods, Nov 05 2015 - 07:45 AM.


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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 07:51 AM

Voted :)

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 07:52 AM

Took me 5 min to find this.

https://www.amazon.co...D/dp/B000062VQK

https://www.amazon.co...C/dp/B00001LCDH

https://www.amazon.de...s/dp/B00005T66R

https://www.ebay.com/...e-/280944832929

https://www.ebay.co.u...s-/221699685986

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 07:58 AM

voted :)
good call Saiph :thumbup:

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 10:08 AM

View PostPaddy the Irishman, on Nov 05 2015 - 07:37 AM, said:

Is there any way to vote without registering etc.  I get so tired of making log ins, passwords etc.  I have about 5 pages of such (on flashdrive) already

I understand how you feel, Paddy. I'm lucky that I already had an account on the site, so I forgot that new visitors may be forced to register before being allowed to vote. I've added a note about registration to my original post.

If it's any help, I use a password storage utility called "KeePass" (just type "keepass.info" into your web browser and you should be taken to the website). It takes a few minutes to install and learn, but the documentation is pretty good, and once you get used to using it, it makes passwords a lot easier to use. It can even recognise which webpage you're looking at, and auto-type the correct user name and password for that website when you press CTRL+ALT+A. I now have a different password for every website and login, and the passwords are all random characters instead of words, which makes them harder to crack. I hope it might be useful for you.

Edited by Saiph, Nov 05 2015 - 10:15 AM.


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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 10:34 AM

+ 1 from me
Great idea Saiph and thanks for doing the initial leg work.
Another wonderful addition and great help to everybody especially newcomers to gpl and srmz.
Lets hope and prey Cog can get it on their database soon!

TP:

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 10:42 AM

What does it mean exactly when a title is abandon? I would think it means they don't care who sells the CD anymore?

If that's the case I would think we could make CD's, and sell them. We, meaning this forum. We could then not only help those new to GPL, but supply the CD too.

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 10:59 AM

Yes Pete, think you are correct about rights issues, but who wants a surprise if its not the case. iRacing is using "Grand Prix Legends" for the Lotus 49 series...?

But no, not here...nor for money.
(Donations maybe, but not here, even tho not my call at all just think not the time or place to introduce cash).
If GOG posts it that's better I think.

Someone else, somewhere else, but free as things have been...okay by me. :D
(And just the not otherwise available tracks, btw)

Link to abandonware definition.

Edited by John Woods, Nov 05 2015 - 11:19 AM.


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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 11:59 AM

Well, I didn't mean for profit, but the CD and shipping cost money. Buyer should pay that.

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Posted Nov 05 2015 - 02:42 PM

If it's abandonware, then what would be the point in making CDs and paying for shipping? It would be easier just to put it together like GPL 2004 demo, and download/install 'GPL 2016' ;).

Mainly it would depend on whether the copyright has lapsed - I think there was info on this somewhere in the forum, that the 'Grand Prix Legends' copyright went out of date years ago and wasn't renewed by whoever had it after Papy/Sierra etc. although until more recently SoS was still selling the CD. Edit: Trademark lapse - https://srmz.racesimcentral.net/inde...=15#entry112477

Even if it was still in copyright, I've never heard of anyone going after the 2004 demo for infringement? Obviously, that would probably stop any efforts for a publicly available '2016' version for legal reasons. But we've only talked about English language so far ;).

Anyway, good effort Saiph to get a legal version of GPL up for sale, eventually second hand copies should theoretically be very sparse to acquire, e.g. NR2003.

Edited by Iestyn16, Nov 05 2015 - 02:52 PM.





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