Hi

Thought I would make an update for this track as its one of my favs...

Horizon by Scottie -- thanks for all the great ones u have done - keep at it:)

Used the base update by Jack Seller and then added all my own high res stuff

The zip is 14MB (including the Horizon and a cut down version of jacks pack)

If u like it then will need permission from the above to include their stuff and then require a host - I hope GPLEA will add it to their site - race sim central down at the mo so can't ask

Some screens....

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great looking stuff jason.

feel free to post a few more screenies while we wait.

You can always post it here. Just PM me if you want to do that.

Of course you can Jason!

Looks great!

Its all finished - just the GPLEA being funny about me releasing it and don't want to upset them really - they even deleted my post at race sim central

Another screen to keep u guys interested

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Goodwood_high_res_JP.exe

Maybe they erroneously deleted your thread. I wouldn't have thought they would have deleted your thread just because they disagreed with your addon. I'm sure it's a misunderstanding on their part. I'm sure they'll put it back up if you ask them. Maybe they just moved it and forgot to leave the link.

This looks great Jason

Is it optimised for D3D as the original graphics are a bit speckled for me as is the up-date by mmm I think it was Balue

Its optimised for D3D - each image has 5 to 7 sub levels so no sparkels

The textures are large though and may impact performance on lesser machines

Very strange this deleting of your thread over at RSC. I'm still confused as to why they should do it. There never were complaints when Francisco posted his Goodwood addon which he made one morning when he was a bit bored. Have you done something else to piss them off? I don't see a warning banner on your name or anything like that.

Think I did - I posted screens of my high res update to Clermont --- I'll just ask permission before updateing tracks from now on - I guess most people will not mind and if not--- I still get the updates


Clermont_high_res_JP.exe

I've sent the files to the GPLEA and I hope to see them release them on their site.

Gordon Bennett - come on girls, get a grip!!!

I recently started using the GPLEA Goodwood offering again and I think it is great, however it is looking a bit tired. If someone else has taken the trouble to freshen it up, it seems to me that it gives a new life to the original designers' efforts.

I can see that I will start to loose interest in the GPLEA circuit as there are others that look better, and I will be a very disappointed.

I can't wait to update Goodwood so please will the relevant person/persons stop being dog-in-the-manger and let the necessary patch be made available.

Not me, I always used Caballero's. Frank did a superb job at Goodwood. For an Italian he showed a lot of class at British tracks. Crystal Palace was another of his that I loved.

Both GPLEA tracks, both I believe released without any formal permission (please correct me if I am wrong), both recieved a ton of praise and no comment from the track creators.

Great days! Frank turning out a new addon every week! No attempt at realism, no claims to anything....other than you might think they look good.

Hi Jason. It's a bit puzzling this Clermont Ferrand thing... I don't remember having seen any questions from you about my views on an update, and I can't help feeling that's a bit - no in fact - VERY strange as I'm responsible for a lot of the textures, and have used a lot of time trimming also those textures that were not made by me from the start....

Btw - it sounds to me as if you mix up GPLEA with RSC. They are two different things you know. Updates or alternative versions of GPLEA stuff (which to a great extent consist of the fabolous car updates is normally allowed - especially IF YOU ASK - However - things gets a bit more complicated when it comes to track updating....

A good place to start is reading the readme - and then if it seems there's any point - ASK.....

Expecting the GPLEA to host updates doesn't sound particular likely... but then again - I'm not the GPLEA....

I agree Balue! Franks updates are a class act!
Great days. All the choices that were available for all the different tracks.
And then, sadly, inferiority complexes started running rampent..........

Hi Seegert

I did an update for personal use for Clemont and then thought it would be good to share with the community (as with Goodwood). Anyway - basically I did not request from the authours their blessing about the update. Obviously I could just release them here or at M4D or set up my own site - but whats the point - I'll only, in the long run, make GPL a worse sim as if the track makers get pi$$ed off then they leave - We will all have no more tracks. I've sent both my Clemont and Goodwood updates to the GPLEA for them to look at and hope they come back and say - yeah good stuff release them or host them themselves on the GPLEA site. I hope they do as it will give the tracks a new lease of life IMO.

So, I basically jumped the gun a little as out of respect to the track builder I should have asked them if they mind

If you can grease the wheels in getting this blessing then please help the process.

This is a cying shame

Please, someone from GPLEA say something; yes or no.
This work of jasons looks great, does not detract from GPLEAs original track but will make sure people revisit it.
Seems to me Papyrus doesn't mind the improvements made to its sim that's what keeps it popular; why should GPLEA mind that jason is making sure that GPLEAs Goodwood remains popular.
The GPL community has recently lost a terrific looking track over graphics let's not lose this, c'mon GPLEA say it's OK

I agree.
Jason's work looks great, and it'd be nice to have another graphics addon for it.
Perhaps a racing restoration expert ( ) is looking at the files now.
Hope so, as Jason's work looks fantastic!

Hi Jason

I think the way you have chosen to follow is definately better than just releasing updates that doesn't pay any attention to the what the original makers of the tracks think.

As for Clermont Ferrand, I think asking Martijn, Guru (Phil Flack) and me, is the most direct way to go - and the one with the smallest number of wheels needing grease.

I'm asuming that since you haven't posted anything they said no? Or are you working on suggestions they made to "improve" your addon? Hope it's the latter.

Hi DM

No word from the GPLEA - I've sent then the add-on and sent chaser PM's - I can see they have opened the PM's

I'll give them a few more days then review our options



Asside from this have u guys been following the rFactor release --- looks stunning and I really think this will spell the end for GPL assuming theres a good mod that comes out ---- be interesting to see ----- what do u all think?

I haven't seen it but there have been plenty of things that have supposedly spelt the end for GPL, but it still continues....... We'll just have to wait an see.

Since you ask...

I have reservations about rFactor. Personally GTR has meant the end of GPL, and Nascar Racing for that matter. It is so much more advanced in all respects and most importantly I find the driving experience more satisfying.

As to rFactor...
...I have only ever bought one game for the prospect of a mod, and strongly advise anyone else not to unless you like wasting your money. Nascar Racing for example has some excellent mods, but nothing to touch the original game as an accurate recreation of a real life racing series. So then, buy it for what it is and the mods are a bonus.
Buying rFactor for what it is is not an attractive prospect. Fantasy cars on fantasy tracks with fantasy advertising, etc, etc. I am not motivated to race in those circumstances. Learning to race at the Ring driving a Lotus 49b had the appeal that on some level I was meeting the same challenge as Jim Clark faced. On a track no one has ever driven in a car no one has ever driven I couldn't care less what time I achieve, or if someone else can do it faster.
Yes there will be many mods, but my experience of the quality control in the ISI/EA based modding world has not been good. I will save my money for GTL and GTR2.
GPL will carry on regardless!

Am I blind? (of course I am) Did you post the Goodwood files yet?

Look here:

No reply yet

I missed that part. I thought he was talking about just Clermont. Ok, i'll wait.

Hi there.
As you can see this is my first post over here. This is the first time I've had reason to follow a link here as it's the first time I've known that gplea stuff is being talked about.

Let me put one thing straight from the off: I don't mind updates to projects I've worked on (IF they're done in a positive manner).

What I don't like is the way in which some people seem to go about doing things. I thought it was all quite simple: ask permission before you start work so as not to be either 1) disappointed when permission is denied (or you can't find anyone to get permission from); or 2) disappoint people who have seen your screenshots or your work when you eventually don't put it up for download (ignoring the obvious workaround of just emailing files to interested parties).

Note that there's pretty much nothing that can be done legally to stop updates being done - I have no interest in legal matters at all other than they serve to be depressing.

As for all these "I've sent a message to the GPLEA asking for permission posts I see" - um... where? I don't count a thread as permission seeking as it's like blackmail.
Looking through my inbox at rsc, I've got a couple of pm's from Damon, and er.. nothing else. The other GPLEA (track) guys have mostly left GPL for real life- Martijn is around now and again, and I'm around because of my involvement with RSC, but the others have gooone.

So.. can we have a bit more asking before working please; and if people really are into the whole updating scene with muchos enthusiasm, maybe they could find some tracks in the making, or abandoned track projects, and work on those instead? Just an idea.

Hope that all comes across as I intended-- I'm not out for blood, just common decency and manners and respect for author's wishes!



b ) is a smilie? lol.

As for all these "I've sent a message to the GPLEA asking for permission posts I see" - um... where? I don't count a thread as permission seeking as it's like blackmail.



Hi Guru

Re the comment above I have sent u a couple of PMs and links to the update along with Martijn. I did not get a reply - its been about 3 weeks or so - so thought I'd post a normal thread as I have PM's in the dozzens about releasing the files. How else am I to request permission??? U could always have replied to my PM's telling me.

As u know I appreciate where u are comming from re the 'ask b 4 u do' scenario and will do so in other cases, but I can not turn the clock back on this one!

A simple yes or no will suffice on if u / gplea are ok with the release.

I will be thinking twice before doing another update and trying to keep the sim 'up to date' due to all the grief it causes - its not worth it!

Cmon boys. Lets shake hands so we can all get this update. My Goodwood could use a little sprucing up.

I agree Pete, I see both sides of this issue and it's to bad their is this misunderstanding. Jason your work is so good, it would be such a waste to not publish it.

High guys!

Any knews?
Would be really nice to dl this great looking update...
I hope you get it sorted out....pleeeaaaase


Cu
Stefan

Hey Guys, I've had a great idea;
Why don't you GPLEA fellas enrole Jason as a fully integrated member of GPLEA and release this update? What a coup; GPLEA integraty intact, Jason gets to see his name in lights; and the GPL Community gets the update!

What d'ya say!
(Jason's work looks eminently worthy)

So some time has passed and was wondering if this is a yes or no?

The indecision is not good. Either it's yes and we get the addon or it's no and I close this thread, wrap it up and we can all forget about it.

Hi,

I hope it`s yes

...doesn`t this great historic track really deserve a high-res update...?!

Cu
Stefan

I don't understand this at all. I thought the whole GPL community was working together to improve GPL? We all know GPLEA built Goodwood. They get full credit for that. Does that mean we can't upgrade it? How is this different from make a skin for the GPLEA cars? I see no objection for that. What's the difference?

-XK-

It's like Pete says, this is no different than a shiny skin for the GPLEA cars.

If I were you I'd just throw the whole update onto emule and let nature take it's course. I friggin want it!!

Hi all!

Any news on this?

Cu
Stefan

Guru said no because jason hadn't asked before showing pictures.

*sigh*

And the saga's continue.......

Wondering if he would have said "yes", if he had asked before showing pictures

indeed.

Hi Guru!

I really don`t want to start a new discussion on this. Just some thoughts.

I just stumbled over this link again I have saved some months ago and really hoped that the great looking update meanwhile got permission to get released.

I know everyone has it`s arguments on this, pros and cons and his principles.

But as a member of this great and unique world wide GPL community I really hope you will change your mind someday and give permission for release.

Regards,
Stefan

XK

Geez... haven't times changed in the GPL Community,
even more so, RaceSim Central.

When I was around RSC 2 years ago everybody was cool,
now many people are up-tight, it's sad really.
I'm glad very few forums are like that.


Ciao.