Stex68 and lucav try to pull the wool over our eyes, They are found out! Options

[dangermouse]

Stex68 and lucav,

re: THIS thread

I just went to see "your site". So, What did I find? files that are not yours yet you set a copyright to yourselves on the site. There are files with no readme or accreditation as to who made them. There are files from this site which you have "stolen" - to use your words - which were not made by yourselves yet you give no accreditation to the original authors and make people assume they are yours. You also have GPL warez by supplying the whole of the GPL game and supplying an extra one with addons by the community AND you give no acknowledgment to Papyrus nor the other authors. You just let every visitor assume that it is yours. A copyright sign means you have produced everything included unless you state otherwise!!

 GPFUN_CHAMPIONSHIP___GP_Races_c_.jpg ( 61.55K ) Number of downloads: 144
 GPFUN_CHAMPIONSHIP___GP_Races_b_1.jpg ( 92.51K ) Number of downloads: 106
 GPFUN_CHAMPIONSHIP___GP_Races_b_2.jpg ( 31.25K ) Number of downloads: 85



So the holier than thou who supposedly know better just steal from others after they accuse Quattro! Should I then ban you from this forum as you insisted I should do with Quattro? We took off all the posts you were offended about and apologized profusely not only here but in other forums too and then you guys went and put all the warez on your site and offered no apologies to Quattro. Your totally indefensible position of guys who want to complain about anyone using their stuff but willing to use others with no acknowledgement has been exposed. You guys certainly have a gaul to have even posted a reply to one of my apology posts at RSC!!

You guys are the lowest form of two faced liars and cheats who try to blacken another persons name whilst doing just what you accuse others of doing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fuyou2.gif)


Yours in disgust,

keith
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[MECH]

Typical,

People never seize to amaze me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif)



Luckily there are enough people left that do the opposite way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yinyang.gif)

This post has been edited by MECH: Feb 4 2008, 12:55 PM

[Arturo Pereira]

Well done Keith (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[lucav]

Hi All,

I was just informed about this thread from last january.

First of all let's get something clear: Quattro was saying things like: "Next week I'll make a brabham with these colors to make you guys happy" (from memory, no direct quote); the brabham in question was already present on the site, of course, yet he was directly implying that it was his operate.
This is what pissed people off for the carset matter, not anything else.

Nothing similar has happened about the tracks on our site, instead.
Had we had somebody on our forum saying that he had made the Snetterton track, for instance, I would have no hesitation to ban him.


Then there is the issue about the "copyright", and I really believe that you are using it as a pretext. I am no webmaster and I bet you know much better than me that the "frame" gets automatically included on all the webpages and it is obviously referred to the website.... or are you seriously saying that "we" are copyrighting gpl ?!?
There are the google ads on the site as well: do you honestly believe that we are also copyrighting Maserati and that we are implying to be the owners of the Silverstone race track? Could anyone think that? Obviously not.

To the same regard I am sure that no file was edited, readme removed or whatnot.


Now to the most important issue.

As far as I know "we" got permission from the authors to put the track files online, and they were put on when other sites were down, including and not limiting to the original track database. There was a period when everything gpl-related seemed to disappear from the net, hence the tracks we use in the tournament were copied on our site.

I was not even aware that any gpl version was online, instead. They are telling me that it was done for two reasons: 1) gpl is not available in Italy; 2) because in this way people could get the stable, updated versions of the tracks without too much hassle.
Isn't this the same concept behind the all in one gpl install by Bernd and the others? Please keep in mind that the files were put on our site well before this.


Now this is the explanation, which is not an excuse.
If any content was put on without the consent of the author, as it clearly is the case for the papyrus tracks, then it was a mistake that will be corrected and I take full blame for it.

To finish were we started, though, we could debate whether it is correct or not to put those files online, but nobody ever claimed that "we" made those files like Quattro, instead, was doing.


Bye,
Luca

EDIT:
PS: I do not follow this site and can't seem to be able to activate email notification, send emails if you need to contact me.

This post has been edited by lucav: Mar 7 2008, 06:48 AM

[dangermouse]

Hah, laughable excuses!! GPL has been available worldwide for years!! All you need to do is follow the links at the Alternative GPL Track Database for any of the original tracks. I may also point out, have you heard of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/google.gif) ?

You criticize others and then inexcusably put warez files on your site and are not even willing to accept your doing so knowingly, at least we took off the files and apologized publicly, and in other forums too, when you pointed out the wrong doing. You then went and put stuff on your site after that episode.

Bernd's installer does not put tracks on anyone's computer. It only adds the addons to the ones on the users' computer and he went through a lot of trouble to get the permissions. I see that you have no readme nor acknowledgment that the all in one installer was made by Bernd and the copyright at the bottom indicates that you 3 own the copyright to these files when that is blatantly not true.

You'll find that putting copyright means just that - that you hold copyright over the files on the site. You'll find a copyright sign on this site but it refers to the forum software maker "Powered By IP.Board 2.3.3 © 2008 IPS, Inc. Licensed to: SimRacing MirrorZone". I haven't even looked at your forum, I just saw the mass of mass of files on the site that are warez and are listed as copyright to the 3 of you! Google ads are just that: Google ads - it says so on them. Lame excuse trying to wriggle out of your deception. You are now trying to say that a copyright sign means nothing? Unless you explicitly exclude anything (be it files, wording or pictures) the copyright means you own the rights to the items on your site (anyone graduated from school would know that). What is offensive is the way you attacked Quattro and now you just try to wriggle out of your misdemeanors by trying to justify yourself.

You say you put files on your site when others were not available. What a load of bollocks. There are files there that have not been offline. Just another ploy from you to try and wriggle out of being shown up.

I now notice you have taken off some of the warez but you still have left others there even after you come here and try your lame excuses. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fuyou2.gif)


You still purport that holier than thou attitude and it still stinks!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bandana2.gif)


You said

It is not a misunderstanding and I do not accept any of the pathetic excuses that quattro wrote in this thread.

Well, I might want to change one word a bit and say, "It is not a misunderstanding and I do not accept any of the pathetic excuses that lucav wrote in this thread."


PS. You say you don't follow this site, well you obviously don't download just about most of all the recent tracks. After all this I certainly have no want to send you emails, you heard about this thread and Quattro's threads readily enough. You should be able to set your own control settings.

[lucav]

Think what you want, I stand by what I wrote:

- putting things on the site without asking for permission was a mistake, it will be corrected and I take full blame for it.
I can't manipulate the website myself so it will take time to remove the files for which no permission was granted.


- the copyright matter as you put it is laughable


- quattro was saying that he was making the liveries, that was the problem. Nothing similar has happened here.


- I didn't even remember the livery thing and it certainly was a closed story; evidently it is different for you... the funny thing is that I don't remember the livery story ever going "sticky" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Bye,
Luca

PS: and no, I don't download the latest tracks. Infact I haven't used gpl in 18 months due to reasons too long to explain here.

[dangermouse]

Think what you want, I stand by what I wrote:

- putting things on the site without asking for permission was a mistake, it will be corrected and I take full blame for it.
I can't manipulate the website myself so it will take time to remove the files for which no permission was granted.

Interesting that many files have already been taken off just before your post.......

- the copyright matter as you put it is laughable

Really? We shall see.....

So if I go to the Microsoft site or Google or HP and although they have placed a copyright sign on the web page I can assume none of the files are theirs? (That is what is called a sarcastic rhetorical question and no reply is needed.) Please go look up what copyright means because you obviously don't know/understand what it is nor how it is to be used.

- quattro was saying that he was making the liveries, that was the problem. Nothing similar has happened here.

- I didn't even remember the livery thing and it certainly was a closed story; evidently it is different for you... the funny thing is that I don't remember the livery story ever going "sticky" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

He didn't say he was making the liveries - that was your interpretation and he apologized for it and so did I, in other forums too. It was not a closed story, you guys made sure it wasn't by posting in other forums, which I did not. Maybe I should change my mind. I left the thread on the site and did not hide it as you can see from the amount of people who have viewed the thread (3468). I made this one sticky to show people your double standards - you started and escalated the whole issue, I didn't. You then decided to knowingly place warez files on your site after you accused Quattro and had decided the issue level here and at other forums. BTW the other thread was also a sticky, but then you wouldn't know as you don't visit this site.

Bye,
Luca

PS: and no, I don't download the latest tracks. Infact I haven't used gpl in 18 months due to reasons too long to explain here.

Hmmmmmm, so that's why you feel it's ok to not credit other peoples files or to put GPL warez on the site is it?

I stand by what I have said. You are just trying to squirm out of an awkward position after being found out and still trying to lay blame elsewhere. Double standards indeed!

[lucav]

Interesting that many files have already been taken off just before your post.......

Yes, the ones for which it is clear that no direct permission was granted (papy tracks). As far as I know the other ones are being checked and will be removed accordingly to a schedule which is not mine.

For the rest I am just going to write something I already wrote in the past: it is not about lawyers and small prints. Think as you please, I feel no guilt about the copyright thing as you put it.

As for "the other forums", the matter was discussed where things happened.
You didn't make a post on our forum to point out the issue, we did make a post on the two forums where the issue had risen.

Hmmmmmm, so that's why you feel it's ok to not credit other peoples files or to put GPL warez on the site is it?
I stand by what I have said. You are just trying to squirm out of an awkward position after being found out and still trying to lay blame elsewhere.

My words are there to read; first point of the last post.

You apparently have a personal axe to grind, I don't.

Bye,
Luca

This post has been edited by lucav: Mar 7 2008, 02:30 PM

[dangermouse]

You apparently have a personal axe to grind, I don't.

You got to be kidding, yeah? You come to this forum all guns blazing calling one of our staff a thief and even after numerous posts by us and non staff and his apology you still demanded his instant banning. Then when the matter is apparently closed you guys still put another post stirring it up further. This matter was also raised at RSC and there were apologies there too from me. You are then caught "in flagrante delicto" after you stood such high moral ground and then still try to deflect the blame and accusing Quattro, still not accepting his apology, you try this high moral ground stuff again. How do you think I feel?


Now after your posts I am even more certain that you are two faced deceitful guys who want to have it whichever way you can but are not willing to accept at having been shown up for what you are. Go on, put another post accusing Quattro and trying not to understand what copyright is, nor what warez you still have on your site and are not willing to take off as well as the stuff you did not ask permission for. Yet you still try to hold a high moral ground, sheesh - some people...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

As for "the other forums", the matter was discussed where things happened.
You didn't make a post on our forum to point out the issue, we did make a post on the two forums where the issue had risen.

I haven't looked at your forum (I couldn't give a rat's ass for it after this) but I do know you posted here and so I posted here. I do know you posted at RSC but I haven't posted there.....

[dangermouse]

Well, one month after my last post I decided to have a look at the site and they have taken down just about all the files that would be considered wrong at RSC. There are still a couple but not the whole lot there was before. It seems they do have some RSC conscience after all.

I wouldn't have raised the issue as we have talked about other sites that do not follow "RSC Rules" in other threads here at SRMZ (we've even seen RSC moderator post at RSC, links to these sites). As we have mentioned elsewhere, we are not RSC and have different rules here. Had Stex and lucav changed their stance on the Quattro matter I would have dropped the matter but they did not. Don't try to say we're holier than thou, we know we're a bunch of &*$£%£"^&!! But when you come here preaching one thing, also saying some bullshit like you don't have an axe to grind and showing another you sure are going to get us pissed off.



Now we shall let sleeping dogs lie (that is of course unless you want to carry on).